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LINK TO YOUTUBE RECORDING: Mondays with Myrt - 21 Sept 2020
CHAT DIALOG (with links we mention)
00:15:22 Michelle Grant: Good morning from Omaha.
00:15:30 Randy Seaver: hello from sunny, cool and non-smoky San Diego area
00:15:40 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations' International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
00:16:12 Bobbie Christensen: Hi from Granite Bay, CA
00:16:31 Amanda Czuba: hi from San Francisco
00:16:44 Patricia Jackson: Bardstown, KY
00:16:50 Lynn Tenney: Good morning from northern MN.
00:16:50 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Good Morning from Pollock Pines, California.
00:16:51 Frank Jatzek: Oh Margaret, I hope you are save
00:17:11 Sheri Snodgrass: Hello from Iowa
00:17:11 Michelle Minner: Good Morning from Tucson, Arizona
00:17:12 Myra Lindgren: good morning from beautiful Wyoming!
00:18:23 Cyndy Bray: hi from Newman California
00:19:04 Hilary Gadsby: Hi everyone
00:22:24 Randy Seaver: LOL Barbara I understand
00:23:33 Melinda Culpon: Had significant impact on the culture of the late 20th century - CONTEXT
00:23:35 Cyndy Bray: RIP RBG She did so much for us.
00:23:54 Randy Seaver: commenters, please change your audience to "All panelists and attendees"
00:24:08 Lianne Kruger: What is the twitter account that will be used to tweet?
00:24:13 Randy Seaver: unless you only want to talk to panelists
00:24:22 Lianne Kruger: Hi from Alberta Canada
00:24:24 Lianne Kruger: Thanks!!
00:24:29 Lianne Kruger: I will retweet
00:24:37 Robbin Smith: @rmsfamhist
00:26:04 Cousin Russ: Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery by Thomas W. Jones https://bcgcertification.org/skillbuilding-perils-of-source-snobbery/
00:26:42 Michelle Grant: Thanks for link
00:27:54 Marian Koalski: I have sometimes been lucky to find the 1 out of 30 trees that has the correct name or date I was seeking, but wading through the other 29 that all point to each other as their source.
00:28:13 Marian Koalski: … the wading is a drag.
00:28:33 Michelle Grant: I agree with you. Looking at a tree with many sources vs 1 or 2.
00:29:50 Michelle Minner: I LOVE it! "Date Fudge" LOL
00:30:04 Sheri Snodgrass: Birthplace of a parent wrong on the child's death record - always check who the informant was.
00:30:54 Hilary Gadsby: My grandparents celebrated their golden wedding anniversary a year early
00:31:14 Lianne Kruger: ha ha nice pun
00:32:08 Marian Koalski: What about a draft card that gives the man’s own birth place incorrectly, because the family moved while he was tiny.
00:32:31 Judy Sova: My father's birth date was wrong on his birth record. Bu the time the doctor went to town to register it, he'd apparently forgot which day Dad was born!
00:33:48 Margaret Harris: Many errors can be corrected when you seek to have contact with living relatives, who may have historical documents.
00:34:25 Randy Seaver: We just had Dr. Jones at the SDGS seminar on Saturday. 4 great presentations. Fun chatting throughout with Jan Murphy and others.
00:34:52 Cousin Russ: Cecily Kelly - Do you have a question ?
00:36:35 Michelle Minner: Birth Certificate error: states I was born in Omaha, Nebraska...when in actuality I was born outside of city limits on the AFB at Offutt AFB in Sarpy County, Nebraska. Omaha skirts two different counties.
00:37:32 Stephanie Vanderveer: I've come across a couple New Jersey deaths and burial certificates from the mid to late 1800s that list the death year as one earlier than it actually was when I found the obituary in the newspaper.
00:38:34 Melinda Culpon: I enjoyed the the finding the unfindable
00:39:22 Melinda Culpon: NGSQ - Study - because they show the methods for the unfindable
00:40:13 Cousin Russ: Mastering Genealogical Proof by Thomas W. Jones https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Genealogical-Proof-Thomas-Jones/dp/B00XIJYX7G/ref=sr_1_2
00:40:30 Lori Martin: Lol, I was just about to hit send asking who this Dr. Jones is. :-)
00:41:34 Randy Seaver: We all can learn a lot by reading the NGSQ and NEHGR peer-reviewed periodicals.
00:41:52 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/DearMYRTLE
00:42:50 Melinda Culpon: https://ngsqstudygroup.com/ or go on facebook
00:43:19 Cousin Russ: Mastering Genealogical Documentation by Thomas W. Jones https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Genealogical-Documentation-Thomas-Jones/dp/B0743HCD4T/ref=sr_1_1
00:43:20 Randy Seaver: NGS members can see/download digital copies of NGSQ issues. I used to study one once a month.
00:44:06 Maria Capaldi: Hello All!
00:44:26 Melinda Culpon: GREAT DearMyrt Study Group!!! ESM Quicklessons
00:44:36 Cousin Russ: Evidence Explained (Book, Quick LEssons & Forum) https://www.evidenceexplained.com
00:44:53 Maria Capaldi: It was wonderful!!
00:45:03 Frank Jatzek: Evidence Explained even helped me once with citing German documents...awesome source for citation help
00:45:38 Amanda Czuba: I definitely need this training :)
00:51:41 Marian Koalski: Maria, were there in-class research assignments? Homework?
00:52:16 Randy Seaver: Everyone needs to understand that the learning curve in geneogy takes a long time to reach the peak understanding
00:52:33 Melinda Culpon: He gave 8 strategies for finding the unfindable
00:52:48 Randy Seaver: ah, a new science, "geneogy"
00:53:34 Monique Riley: Dr. Jones has said he feels that he is just at the beginning of the learning curve of genealogy!
00:54:43 Lori Martin: I could use those 8 strategies in finding a primary source for one person for my husband’s SAR application.
00:54:53 Frank Jatzek: Randy: is there ever a Peak? For me I learn ne Thing every time I talk to other Genealogists. Most of the time because we have different approaches to problems
00:55:14 Marian Koalski: I agree, Frank!
00:55:39 Maria Capaldi: Marian K - No Saturday San Diego Genealogical Society. No homework just wonderful Lectures.
00:55:50 Cousin Russ: Evidence Explained [the book] by Elizabeth Shown Mills https://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Explained-History-Artifacts-Cyberspace/dp/0806320400/ref=sr_1_1
00:56:16 Randy Seaver: Frank, I think it's a series of peaks - you get to one, and think "I've done it" and then someone on MwM introduces something else and you think "oo, oo, a new shiny object" and you learn more.
00:57:34 Randy Seaver: If you want homework, go through the lessons on the two Jones books. They are excellent!
00:58:35 Maria Capaldi: That is what I am going to do, Thanks Cousin Russ!
00:58:51 Marian Koalski: I agree. In old age, I’m figuring out that much deeper. Learning takes place while doing an assignment than I get from a lecture. Gotta do the homework.
00:58:57 Danine Cozzens: Great suggestion, Cousin Russ!
00:59:12 Randy Seaver: Gary Gauthier from Alberta
00:59:48 Hilary Gadsby: Sometimes the records no longer exist to confirm what we have been told but by creating a tree DNA may help provide the proof we need.
01:00:00 Randy Seaver: The lessons are in the two Jones books -
01:00:10 Sheri Snodgrass: Thanks!
01:00:21 Randy Seaver: Mastering Genealogy Proof and Mastering Genealogy Documentation
01:01:24 Cousin Russ: Yolanda - do you have a question ?
01:01:39 Randy Seaver: We have to be careful with small DNA matches though. It's different if we share 800 cM (1st cousin?) or 20 cM (could be 3rd to 6th cousins).
01:02:13 Randy Seaver: DNA with small matches provide evidence, not proof IMHO
01:02:31 Maria Capaldi: Isn't that funny!
01:03:04 Sheri Snodgrass: Love seeing all the sticky markers in that books - looks like several of mine
01:03:55 Robbin Smith: DNA requires genealogy.
01:04:55 Maria Capaldi: I took a class with Cari Taplin Mastering Genealogical Proof, I learned so much!!
01:06:15 Cousin Russ: Blaine Bettinger’s The Genetic Genealogist https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/
01:06:49 Michelle Minner: I am SO glad I knew Blaine Bettinger's chart before Ancestry got rid of the tiny matches. the tiniest matches wasted a lot of my time trying to prove or not.
01:07:44 Lynn Tenney: Ancestry now shows the longest segment which helps.
01:08:31 Michelle Minner: sounds silly, but what helped me understand Blaine's ancestry cM chart? I studied baseball statistics for years! LOL.
01:11:13 Sheri Snodgrass: I have both parents and 5 sibs that tested and it's really interesting how different we inherited DNA.
01:11:19 Maria Capaldi: Always great discussions here!
01:11:57 Randy Seaver: ah, presentism and Englishism raises its head!
01:12:02 Maria Capaldi: yes
01:12:46 Randy Seaver: Like the Ky Ken in a census was Kenya rather than Kentucky when the indexer was Chinese or African
01:13:19 Sheri Snodgrass: I'm from Iowa - that's true in a couple of county offices
01:13:49 Melinda Culpon: for establishing congressional districts
01:15:51 Melinda Culpon: gerrymandering - Frustrating me currently -
01:15:52 Randy Seaver: SDSU is San Diego State but also South Dakota State
01:16:43 Cynthia Hall: Pennsylvania
01:16:48 Maria Capaldi: Good point
01:16:49 Randy Seaver: why we use 8 September instead of 9/8/
01:17:12 Margaret Harris: Difficulty currently with Census: Fires? and other current challenges?
01:17:55 Maria Capaldi: Now I did not know that, thank you
01:18:11 Randy Seaver: And Maryland NY too!
01:18:17 Cynthia Hall: I’m glad I started out not using abbreviations long ago. At least that is one thing I won’t have to clean up!!
01:18:32 Stephanie Vanderveer: When I do my brother in laws research I have to make sure I write Marion County Kentucky because there is a town called Marion in Kentucky as well.
01:19:14 Randy Seaver: Great confusion sometimes between towns, townships and counties in some states.
01:19:34 Michelle Minner: Quaker
01:19:36 Cynthia Hall: When I don’t have a city name, I use ‘County’ after the name of the county.
01:19:46 Patricia Jackson: yep
01:20:06 Randy Seaver: Old Style dates vs New style dates from calendar change in 1752 in USA/UK
01:20:30 Cynthia Hall: Is there another acronym using USA?
01:20:35 Marian Koalski: Amen, Stephanie. The same things happen in. Ohio, and the town and county are 200 mile apart.
01:20:47 Amanda Czuba: never knew quaker's had their own date styles !!
01:21:39 Stephanie Vanderveer: Some of the older records just have "born in Marion" quite a difference between the central and south west parts of the state
01:21:52 Randy Seaver: Some early MA records use "Quaker" dates also.
01:22:11 Robbin Smith: Calendar changes in France due to Napoleon calendar
01:22:47 Randy Seaver: Russia changed to the Gregorian calendar in 1918!
01:23:19 Michelle Minner: I am researching my boyfriend's Jewish family tree from Russia...jewish dates are complicated...AND the borders are constantly changing in Russian areas.
01:23:33 Randy Seaver: it's why September (based on #7) and October (#8) in Latin are not the 7th and 8th months now.
01:23:42 Randy Seaver: November and December too.
01:23:55 Frank Jatzek: Michelle: wow that seems to be very problematic to research
01:24:00 Amanda Czuba: interesting =D
01:24:08 Maria Capaldi: lol
01:25:07 Michelle Minner: GOOD ADVICE...always read the database information!
01:27:54 Frank Jatzek: Randy: did you ever thought about converting your one very large file into multiple smaller ones to use them with online Tools?
01:28:07 Maria Capaldi: What exactly is it?
01:28:16 Cousin Russ: WACKY Wednesday - RootsFinder (an online genealogy management program. https://youtu.be/0_n9UROimaY
01:28:20 Maria Capaldi: Sounds dumb, I know
01:28:51 Randy Seaver: Frank, no because I have so much crossover between ancestors and one-name studies and common ancestors of my mother and father and daughters and sons-in-law.
01:29:39 Frank Jatzek: Randy: I see
01:30:31 Randy Seaver: Dallan is a really smart and creative guy.
01:30:44 Maria Capaldi: yeah that doesn't seem right!
01:31:26 Randy Seaver: Genealogia is Italian origin!
01:31:30 Lianne Kruger: Does it mean you have to have a source for each item you put on??
01:31:44 Randy Seaver: http://www.genealogica.it/genealen.htm
01:31:48 Lianne Kruger: Very good!! lol Thanks
01:32:39 Melinda Culpon: I got registered - it gives a free 6 day subscription
01:33:39 Melinda Culpon: It is NOT ready to be marketed
01:33:42 Maria Capaldi: I would Say, yes.
01:33:47 Cousin Russ: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12734769
01:33:48 Lianne Kruger: Short sweet to the point description
01:34:47 Frank Jatzek: https://www.genealogia.co.uk/about/
01:35:22 Hilary Gadsby: UK companies register with companies house
01:35:45 Melinda Culpon: Has LDS support
01:35:52 Margaret Harris: Why did Dallan leave WeRelate?
01:36:11 Randy Seaver: Margaret, I don't know...
01:36:20 Robbin Smith: https://www.facebook.com/groups/genealogiawebsite
01:36:33 Danine Cozzens: https://www.genealogia.co.uk/login
01:36:45 Lianne Kruger: If we don't like the layout of a program and can't get where we want quickly we won't use it.
01:37:24 Maria Capaldi: Well that is good to know.
01:37:30 Margaret Harris: Okay, thank you. Great explanation from you.
01:37:42 Lianne Kruger: Yes I have. First time for me
01:37:48 Cousin Russ: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1097927/have-you-registered-for-the-2020-source-a-thon-yet
01:37:52 Randy Seaver: Have you registered for RootsTech 2021?
01:38:27 Randy Seaver: Interesting interview of Steve Rockwood by Scott Fisher in latest Extreme Genes show
01:38:29 Cousin Russ: WACKY Wednesday - Are your virtual presentations STUCK IN A RUT? https://youtu.be/6RCu-1gvmxU
01:38:46 Lianne Kruger: Great question Randy - Yes to that (and speaking)
01:39:27 Randy Seaver: Extreme Ges show #43 is at https://extremegenes.com/2020/09/20/episode-343-free-rootstech-connect-takes-conference-virtual-and-global-to-run-24-hours-for-three-days-familysearch-in-the-pandemic/
01:40:07 Randy Seaver: Scott always has a transcript of his shows. Easier to read than listen for me
01:41:12 Randy Seaver: Just followed Robbin on Twitter, my ID is @rjseaver
01:44:00 Frank Jatzek: That oral stories book looked awesome. I will so steal that Idea some day
01:44:20 Amanda Czuba: quite delightful !
01:44:39 Cynthia Hall: Reminds me of the ‘lap books’ I made with my preschoolers!
01:46:06 Maria Capaldi: Santa Barbara County Genealogical Society Is having "Virtual Day of Genealogy Learning with Tom Jones" Saturday October 3rd 2020 Non-Members- $45.00 Member-$35.00
01:46:54 Lianne Kruger: Me, too. Lindsay is great!
01:46:58 Flo Merritt: Thank you, great information!
01:47:13 Frank Jatzek: No Problem
01:47:15 Lianne Kruger: Thanks!01:47:16 Amanda Czuba: thank you :) !!