Check your genealogy management program to see what data entry options are available. We discovered Family Tree Maker provides the option to indicate the specific calendar used when entering a date. RootsMagic considers anything not Gregorian an irregular date. We agreed it is important to enter the date as stated in the document, i.e. making an accurate word-for-word transcription. Cousin Russ mentions he puts in two event dates for his Quaker ancestors - Old Style (from the document transcription) and New Style (Gregorian). Be sure when looking at a record set to see if the front matter indicates what calendar was used.
LINKS WE MENTION
- Cyndi's List - Calendars and Dates https://www.cyndislist.com/calendars/
- FamilySearch Wiki - (then your specific country)
- JewishGen - https://www.jewishgen.org/JOS/josdates.htm
- Quaker Calendar - https://www.swarthmore.edu/friends-historical-library/quaker-calendar
- Steve Morse (scroll down to Calendar, Sunrise/Sunset/Maps) https://stevemorse.org/
Wikipedia (See timeline of adoption dates near the bottom)
- Wikipedia List of Adoption Dates by Country
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LINK TO YOUTUBE RECORDING: Mondays with Myrt - 21 Sept 2020
CHAT DIALOG (with links we mention)
00:31:02 Frank Jatzek: Good Evening everone 00:31:24 carencay bowen: Good Evening from City of Baltimore, Maryland, USA 00:31:48 Cousin Russ: We thank Dr. Shelley Murphy for sponsoring our Closed Captioning service for the year. Her blog is found here: https://familytreegirl.com/ 00:32:14 Myra Lindgren: Good evening from Casper Wy.! 00:32:23 Betty-Lu Burton: Thank you Dr Shelly Murphy 00:32:40 Shelley Murphy: Hey there Betty-Lu! 00:33:09 Myra Lindgren: Almost always Windy - but no smog here! 00:33:59 Myra Lindgren: July? 00:34:51 Cousin Russ: THE QUAKER CALENDAR - Swarthmore https://www.swarthmore.edu/friends-historical-library/quaker-calendar 00:36:08 Betty-Lu Burton: The Quakers considered the names of the months and days of the weeks as blasphemy 00:37:17 Alice Allen: It would be April 00:37:29 Betty-Lu Burton: 4th month in 1801 would be April 00:37:51 Betty-Lu Burton: If it was before 1752 it would be July 00:38:07 Pat Jackson: didn’t the year start on March 25? 00:40:22 Myra Lindgren: Family search wiki 00:41:17 Betty-Lu Burton: That is why President George Washington has 2 different dates for his birthday. One from the Julian calendar and the other from the Gregorian calendar 00:41:56 Betty-Lu Burton: You can also go to Cyndi's list and look under calendars 00:42:45 Alice Allen: Maybe try Quaker Dating System 00:43:52 Betty-Lu Burton: That is why you need to somewhere in your notes state the actual date and then the current date 00:44:24 Cousin Russ: https://www.cyndislist.com/calendars/quaker-calendar/ 00:45:47 Betty-Lu Burton: You will find a double year in the 1600's but they did name the month 00:48:32 Pat Jackson: my mom had a flight on 1/1/2000–brave woman, lol 00:50:20 Betty-Lu Burton: Also in the 1600's the civil government used one calendar and the Church used the other, thus causing the double dates 00:51:34 Myra Lindgren: Transcribe it with a notation afterwards 00:52:24 Betty-Lu Burton: That is when you need to translate to the current calendar and note that is what we did, listing the actual date and why and how you translated it 00:52:43 Carol Petranek: I run into this all the time, because the Greek Church in America did not adopt the Gregorian Calendar until 1924. I record both dates. Especially in marriages, there is one date in the church record and a different date in the church record. 00:54:26 Pat Jackson: use the modern date n the date field, with a note of the difference and why? 00:55:00 Shelley Murphy: @Carol Petranek I agree with putting both dates. 00:55:32 carencay bowen: He assumed 00:56:33 Carol Petranek: Whoops - one date in the church record and one date in the civil record 00:56:40 carencay bowen: Within Ancestry put the adjusted date and under the note area the older form and type of calendar 01:00:36 Carol Petranek: Pat, you can also add an Alternate Birth date with a notation that the alternate date is the Quaker or Julian or whatever calendar date 01:03:20 carencay bowen: I do 01:03:25 Frank Jatzek: here 01:03:27 Phillip Heavner: no 01:03:29 char Espo: yes 01:03:29 Sharon Morrissey: No 01:03:31 Betty-Lu Burton: no 01:03:32 Myra Lindgren: Nope 01:03:34 carencay bowen: its from the Jewish 01:03:36 Stephanie Vanderveer: no 01:03:39 Pat Jackson: no 01:03:45 Susan Jaycox: Polish 01:05:25 carencay bowen: ;yes they are 01:06:42 Cousin Russ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_of_the_Gregorian_calendar 01:07:37 carencay bowen: Click the link just above the chart 01:07:42 Betty-Lu Burton: I wonder if that is why I would occasionally see where the man only put the year down and not a day or month of birth. It seems many of them were from russia 01:07:59 Phillip Heavner: Finland was part of Sweden at one time, then came under Russian control until the early 20th century when it became independent. 01:08:41 Betty-Lu Burton: I meant to say in the WWI draft records 01:10:17 carencay bowen: USA had 3 different conversion periods 01:10:28 carencay bowen: USA is at the bottom 01:16:29 Sheri Snodgrass: Native Americans counted in new moons 01:19:05 Frank Jatzek: Maybe it changes with RM8 01:19:25 Shelley Murphy: Ancient Hawai’i I believe also used the Moon/Lunar way. 01:21:02 Cousin Russ: https://www.cyndislist.com/calendars/ 01:24:10 Dave Robison: Steve Morse also has an explanation of double dates and many pages for a wide variety of calendars. https://stevemorse.org/ 01:24:29 Carol Petranek: I attended a Steve Morse lecture at RootsTech a few years ago. He is indeed brilliant and an engaging presenter 01:24:39 Dave Robison: https://stevemorse.org/census/1950census.htm 01:26:11 Myra Lindgren: I understand Dr. Shelley! 01:27:38 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Wiki: US Records Selection table - https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Record_Finder 01:28:14 Sheri Snodgrass: Ancestry has created a 1890 Collection list https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/1890census/ 01:28:14 Betty-Lu Burton: I am lucky in that many of my families lived in states with 1885 and 1895 state censuses 01:29:20 Sheri Snodgrass: Love this approach Dr Shelley!! 01:29:53 Myra Lindgren: I think of census records as being the bones of my research and every other record or text that I find fills in the rest...…….You are gradually filling in the rest of the person... 01:30:34 Betty-Lu Burton: I never thought about doing that. That is a good idea 01:32:22 Myra Lindgren: When I found out the 1890 veteran census was still around I found several families... 01:35:08 Cousin Russ: https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/1890census/ 01:36:10 carencay bowen: I feel sorry for future genealogist - there will be no city or phone directories 01:37:41 Flo Merritt: WOW, thank you. 01:38:34 Frank Jatzek: carencay: there will still be citymaps, it will be an archived Webpage of streetview 01:38:46 Shelley Murphy: Another note: consider to connect oral histories to the 1890 era as well. 01:39:44 Carol Petranek: Pat - has Bella returned? 01:39:54 Carol Petranek: Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:40:12 carencay bowen: Thanks for the information