Monday, October 12, 2020

Mondays with Myrt - 12 Oct 2020

Divorce, a contested will and info about canning jams and pickles were our main topics during Mondays with Myrt. We also reviewed how to look things up in the FamilySearch Wiki, specifically for a quick-study of court records in various US states. It's about learning the name of a court, and what type of cases it handles. Taking Mag's example of South Carolina research, we then went to the "SEARCH>CATALOG" option at FamilySearch to see what was available for her research.

Sadly, it has come to our attention that a new entity has apparently been using the names of top-tier professional African American genealogist to garner attention for it's new venture. Nicka Smith writes “There exist several documented incidents wherein BOAAG has falsely claimed formal association between itself and several noted genealogical professionals and speakers without their knowledge or consent.” Statement of non-support My dear readers will note I have added my name to the statement.

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00:07:58 Patricia Jackson: Hi from Kentucky
00:08:01 Betty-Lu Burton: I remembered this week
00:08:06 Sheri Snodgrass: Hello everyone from sunny Iowa
00:08:13 Laila Christiansen: Hi all from Oslo Norway! 
00:08:23 Molly McKinley: Hi from Florida
00:08:24 Linda Stufflebean: I'm in still hot Tucson. 100 highs again this week.
00:08:30 Cynthia Hall: Caddo Mills, Texas
00:08:30 Betty-Lu Burton: Hi from Arkansas
00:08:33 Melissa Barker: Hello Everyone! The Archive Lady is here. I'm off for Columbus Day!
00:08:33 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Hello from Pollock Pines, California.
00:08:44 Maria Capaldi: Hello Everyone!
00:08:44 Mags Gaulden: Hey from Thanksgiving Day in Canada!
00:08:45 Frank Jatzek: Hi Melissa
00:08:45 Lindell Johnson: I listening/seeing you from Albany, OR
00:08:49 Penny Walters: Hello from the south west of the UK, Bristol City 
00:08:53 Mags Gaulden: Ottawa
00:08:54 Randy Seaver: I'm from Chula Vista CA south of San Diego.  Expecting warm weather and Santa Ana winds this week.
00:08:55 Else Bratlien: Hi from Santa Rosa California
00:08:59 char Espo: New Mexico
00:09:11 Doris Lanier: Hi from Garrett Indiana
00:09:11 Kathleen Daetsch: from nyc
00:09:18 Sue Tolbert: Hi from Oklahoma!
00:09:20 Melanie Hinds: From Illinois - Chicago area
00:09:46 Cousin Russ: Tina - do you have a question ?
00:10:05 Cyndy Bray: oops forgot to change to everyone. Hi from Central California
00:10:07 Monique Riley: in Idaho
00:10:22 Maria Capaldi: Sounds good
00:10:44 Hilary Gadsby: I am in the Conwy valley in North Wales
00:10:44 Myra Lindgren: good morning from Wyoming
00:10:47 Penny Walters: hi from Bristol, UK
00:10:49 Randy Seaver: and Alona's koalas
00:10:52 Kathy Richardson: Salt Lake City, UT
00:11:01 Molly McKinley: It's still in the high 80's here in Florida
00:11:06 Kathleen Daetsch: We're in the 50's today
00:11:16 Cousin Russ: John Boeren Divorce in the Netherlands.
00:11:28 Robbin Smith: goin to be in 90s in Miami
00:11:36 Myra Lindgren: less smoke here thank you to the wind...
00:12:08 Pat Kuhn: in the 50’s and raining here in Central Pennsylvania
00:12:36 Cousin Russ: Married, Divorced, Married

00:14:15 Maria Capaldi: I'd say
00:17:38 Frank Jatzek: Btw. I like the Dutch words for marriage Certificate: "Huwelijks Akte" 
00:18:29 Randy Seaver: One of my favorite sayings is "Real life is much more complex than fiction"
00:19:12 Frank Jatzek: Randy: Real Life still writes the best Stories
00:19:35 Judy Sova: wow.  wish we had that.
00:20:10 Randy Seaver: And we're stuck with records that reflect only official moments in time, except for family lore and newspaper articles
00:20:38 Betty-Lu Burton: I have seen a few marriage records with a divorce or an annulment note, but usually when the divorce happened near the time of marriage or in the same place of the marriage
00:22:17 marian koalski: Marriage packets in some PA counties do have documents like a divorce decree from an earlier marriage.
00:23:53 Sheri Snodgrass: Husband's gr grandfather filed for divorce in 1862 in IL as he was abandoned - she left to a 'far away state'.
00:24:17 Kathleen Daetsch: I don't think NY checks either, I was a widow and when I remarried I didn't need to present my late husband's death cert. 
00:24:51 Randy Seaver: some states now have divorce record indexes online, but I'm not sure that we can access divorce case files except by going to the local courthouse
00:24:57 Michelle Minner: I have been married 4 times....and each time, the states (Georgia, Florida, PA) all took my word that my divorces were final
00:25:33 Melissa Barker: My great grandfather divorced my great grandmother in 1940 and ALSO went to the courts and had her committed to an insane asylum just so he could marry another woman. He married that woman 2 weeks after the divorce and my great grandmother spent 15 years in the asylum. I have the divorce and commitment records and my grandmother told me this story. 
00:25:41 Frank Jatzek: I have to look into the documents of my mothers Father since his former Family thought he where killed in the war. Instead he felt in love with my mothers mom and the rest is history...I never checked if there are divorce documents
00:26:21 Maria Capaldi: Hi Mag!
00:26:48 Maria Capaldi: HI Melissa :-)
00:27:12 marian koalski: Melissa Barker, what a frightening story! I’ve heard of those things happening but not from a family member’s account.
00:27:35 Maria Capaldi: I agree Marian
00:28:15 Cynthia Hall: Texas has divorce indexes
00:29:11 Robbin Smith: My sister's divorce is shown on ancestry for Virginia

00:30:07 Betty-Lu Burton: My great-grandfather's divorce records from his second wife is in his their son's dependent pension file
00:30:56 Kathleen Daetsch: This is why we have so many bigamy fraud cases in this country. I think there should be a way of checking if someone is married
00:31:51 Sheri Snodgrass: Love those criminals - more documentation!
00:33:03 Pam Wade: Hi Mags. I live in South Carolina and most of my family is from here and N.C. What are your family names from S.C., N.C. & Georgia?
00:35:36 Kathleen Daetsch: I believe  New York courts are county and State
00:35:40 Molly McKinley: My Gaffney's are from 96th District
00:37:29 Molly McKinley: My Hames line was from Union County, SC
00:38:18 Frank Jatzek: Always remember the Information you are looking for might only be in the Indexes or the actual Pages and vice versa (most of the time because stuff got lost)
00:40:03 Randy Seaver: some counties moved older records to county archives - San Diego has pre-1920 records at San Diego Historical Society
00:40:31 Betty-Lu Burton: I have seen newspaper notices that said as of this date I am no longer responsible for my wife's debts
00:40:51 Judy Sova: Here they're called Judgment of Divorce.  Could be under "judgments."
00:42:14 Mags Gaulden: @Pam Wade - Do I not know you? LOL Gaulden, McElmoyle, Hunt, Templeton, I have a complete list on my WikiTree Profile, under Surnames.
00:42:29 Maria Capaldi: OMG! they are aweful
00:43:12 Pam Wade: Ok I will look. 
00:43:22 Liv Christensen: A publication by the state called Norsk Lysningsblad published information about divorce. The last time they published about a specific person seems to be in the 1970's.
00:44:26 Molly McKinley: My grandmother's first marriage was ended in Arkansas in the very early 1900's with no proof.  My cousin thinks they just decided to call it quits and go on with life.
00:45:51 Maria Capaldi: lol
00:46:25 marian koalski: Molly, that apparently happened among my relatives when they didn’t have money or time for lawyers and courts.
00:46:32 Flo Merritt: Thank you Hilary :-)
00:46:58 Bobbie Christensen: In  colonial times, and sometimes into the mid-1800’s, you had to get a bill passed in the state legislature in order to get a divorce. Check the annual printed records of the actions of the state legislature for records of the bills passed, under divorce or the individual last name.
00:51:35 Cynthia Hall: If the legislature to approve divorces in this day and age, that is all they would be doing?
00:51:47 Cousin Russ: link to my "mason jar++";
00:53:25 Maria Capaldi: How about that! Cool
00:53:48 Cynthia Hall: I miss my set of German stoneware!

There is a second type with just one clamp
00:55:37 Betty-Lu Burton: I believe food with high sugar or salt content do not need to be sealed as well as those with lower sugar and salt
00:55:42 Pam Wade: When making jelly and jam I fill the jars up, put the lids on and flip the jars upside down for five minutes. Then when you turn them over, them are sealed and can be stored in your cabinets or pantry.
00:56:17 Betty-Lu Burton: Pam I use to do that with my jams 
00:56:23 Pam Wade: Jellies and jams can last for years.
00:56:38 Maria Capaldi: it reminds me of Williamsburg, VA
00:56:46 marian koalski: One of my women relatives got a patent for a fruit jar in about the 1880s.
00:56:52 Sheri Snodgrass: Not pickles but sauerkraut
00:56:59 Pam Wade: My Mama made sour pickles.
00:57:02 Molly McKinley: We made salt pickles with a big crock like that...they were
00:57:06 Betty-Lu Burton: My grandmother did watermelon pickles
00:57:08 Frank Jatzek: we did in normal canning glasses like the ones I showed above
00:57:10 Kathleen Daetsch: ripening tomatoes in a paper bag with an apple will make them ripen faster
00:58:10 Melinda Culpon: gasket
00:58:19 Monique Riley: Yes, don't store apples with other things. Apples need to be stored them separately from other produce because they're big ethylene gas emitters. We can't get canning lids and really needed some for our produce. Even looked in Utah. No luck!
00:58:31 Pam Wade: I have hundreds of mason jars from the times I canned. One year I canned 100 jars of tomatoes. I did it for my husband, who loved them.
00:58:46 Hilary Gadsby: We called these Kilner jars when I was growing up
00:58:47 Melinda Culpon: gasket is what the ring is called
00:59:41 Maria Capaldi: Yes Kathleen my Dad did the same thing and put in our basement b/c of it being cool. The other thing he did would put our poinsettia's after the holiday down too(not in a bag) they would come back sometimes...
01:00:05 John Boeren: I visited an old house years ago, they told us that they found jars with food in the cellar when renovating the place... hundreds of years old... some of the food was still edible... wouldn't try that! this is the house:
01:00:30 Hilary Gadsby: We sealed Jams and jelly with waxed disks and covered jar with paper or fabric circle and elastic band
01:00:50 Kathleen Daetsch: I have a very old crock.
01:00:52 Danine Cozzens: Hilary,
01:01:05 Danine Cozzens: My paternal grandmother put brown paper soaked in whiskey on top of her jam (1950s). Maternal gm used paraffin.

01:02:14 Hilary Gadsby: I made courgette chutney this year
01:02:28 Molly McKinley: We left them for a long time.  They just were way too salty.
01:04:16 Mags Gaulden: How long can wine and other stuff survive from Archealogy finds - seawrecks!!?
01:04:52 Maria Tegtmeier: I have often used USU's website
01:05:15 Maria Tegtmeier: for canning
01:05:17 Molly McKinley: I have some of those books from early 1900's when my grandparents moved to Florida.
01:06:02 John Boeren: the jars with a rubber ring and lid, we call weckpot... many images on google :)
01:06:08 Cynthia Hall: My son makes his own mozzarella cheese.
01:06:12 Mags Gaulden: Fig Preserves!
01:06:20 Pam Wade: In S.C. we have the Clemson Cooperative Extension service
01:06:43 Mags Gaulden: Blue Cheese from Clemson!
01:07:39 Pat Kuhn: I have some Weck jars
01:08:13 Frank Jatzek: Mags: very Long. I have seen a report where they found old mead from Egyptian time and it was consumable. they even could save and revitalize some of the yeast
01:08:47 Kathy Richardson: My parents, both born in Utah, called the process, “bottling” and called the glass containers, “bottles” not “jars”
01:08:54 Cousin Russ: “There exist several documented incidents wherein BOAAG has falsely claimed formal association between itself and several noted genealogical professionals and speakers without their knowledge or consent.” Statement of non-support
01:09:43 Maria Capaldi: I read this!!  Unbelievable!! 

DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations' International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

01:13:35 Maria Capaldi: I agree!
01:13:43 Cousin Russ: We thank Dr. Shelley Murphy for sponsoring our Closed Captioning service for the year. Her blog is found here:
01:14:14 John Boeren: we have a long history of fostering children in our families
01:14:47 Michelle Grant: Thanks for the links and for this webinar. 
01:16:45 Cousin Russ: .
01:17:27 Frank Jatzek: Randy: that's a lot of text to transcribe. I bet this was an amazing find and source
01:17:39 Maria Capaldi: I can attest to that Myrt is very helpful, sympathetic and genuine! 
01:19:31 Frank Jatzek: the Signature by Thomas looks very nice
01:27:49 Frank Jatzek: that goes for the polish digitalized church and civil records as well. The old Index has lower Quality then the new index!
01:29:18 Randy Seaver: Ancestry has indexes for state wills and probates, but they miss a lot of names.  And their list of "books" ior case numbers are out of numerical order.  It's a pain.  
01:30:01 Cousin Russ: Miss Peggy Lauritzen makes progress! That's all that I did. I didn't enter information. I didn't tag anyone. I simply uploaded the scans for their family to find someday. Here is an example of one of them. I am not related to this man - but, someone is.
01:30:08 Randy Seaver: Frank, I did each of those posts in less than an hour.  I have over 300 probate record posts - one a week piles up fast! 
01:30:16 Maria Capaldi: Love Miss Peggy!!!!
01:31:12 Maria Capaldi: So thoughtful!
01:32:18 Randy Seaver: In the 1600s and 1700s, almost every New England ancestor of mine (maybe 70-80% of them) had a probate record because they owned land, often several parcels. 
01:32:29 Kathleen Daetsch: I was supposed to go last month
01:33:17 Cousin Russ: Just Genealogy Halloween Dance in Second Life. Skeleton counting contest, maze, carnival. You’ll need to take the tour!
01:33:19 Frank Jatzek: I am
01:33:34 Maria Capaldi: Me, trying to figure it out
01:35:53 Maria Capaldi: Thank you very much everyone!
01:35:58 Cousin Russ: Robbin Smith Finding your roots airs on Tuesday Night on US PBS Stations.
01:36:03 Cynthia Hall: Mid Atlantic Genealogical Society (MAGS) is having a virtual conference this weekend.
01:37:36 Hilary Gadsby: Who Do You Think You Are is back this evening in the UK

01:37:58 Flo Merritt: Thank you for another great session
01:38:01 Cynthia Hall: Sorry.  MAGS is the Mid-Atlantic Germanic Society.
01:38:02 Mags Gaulden: I like MAGS
01:38:29 John Boeren: Thanks for joining today, Mags! :)
01:39:41 Mags Gaulden: Always a pleasure John.
01:40:07 Pat Kuhn: it is the same for a death certificate in New York City
01:40:44 Hilary Gadsby:
01:41:35 Frank Jatzek: Reminds me a bit of Berlin Civil Register Offices. you have to know in what street an Event happened because even one number more or less can end you up in a different civil Office district
01:42:16 Sheri Snodgrass: Like the British version of WDYTYA better than the US version
01:43:29 Maria Capaldi: We don't get it :-(
01:43:41 Maria Capaldi: Cool, ill check there.

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