Tonight's webinar stirred interest in the distinction between negative evidence versus negative research. We referred to the 2019 Board for Certification of Genealogists' codification of the the GPS (Genealogy Proof Standard) in the book Genealogy Standards, Second Edition available through Amazon in Kindle, hardback or paperback.
We also turned to Elizabeth Shown Mills' writings:
- Elizabeth Shown Mills, “QuickLesson 17: The Evidence Analysis Process Model,” Evidence Explained: Historical Analysis, Citation & Source Usage (https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-17-evidence-analysis-process-map : 10 Feb 2021). In particular diagram in the post Evidence Analysis: A Research Process Map.
- Elizabeth Shown Mills, "Negative Evidence vs. Negative Findings," blog post, https://www.evidenceexplained.org/quicktips/negative-evidence-vs-negative-findings : posted 8 September 2018). (
- Elizabeth Shown Mills, “QuickLesson 13: Classes of Evidence―Direct, Indirect & Negative,” Evidence Explained: Historical Analysis, Citation & Source Usage (https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-13-classes-evidence%E2%80%94direct-indirect-negative : 10 Feb 2021).
- Cousin Russ Worthington's Forum query @ Evidence Explained "Negative Findings / Negative Evidence" about the Civil War Registration James A. Wake of New York. (https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/negative-findings-negative-evidence : viewed 10 Feb 2021.)
- Anonymous' Forum query @ Evidence Explained "Gaps in children: negative or indirect evidence of missing children? (https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/gaps-children-negative-or-indirect-evidence-missing-children : viewed 10 Feb 2021.)
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00:17:15 Betty-Lu Burton: Hi from a very cold Arkansas. We are expecting a major ice storm tonight
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00:19:10 Myra Lindgren: yes it is!
00:21:01 Betty-Lu Burton: They chose the most important and tried to keep the list small so as not to scare anyone
00:21:47 Cousin Russ: Negative Evidence vs. Negative Findings https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/negative-evidence-vs-negative-findings
00:23:41 Betty-Lu Burton: Such as finding a birth record for a baby in 1902 and he is not in the 1910 census, and yet the siblings born and after that baby are in the census
00:25:02 Betty-Lu Burton: Or in my great-great grandparents case, they considered themselves married, but for some reason the clerk did not
00:26:52 Betty-Lu Burton: My assumption was that the child died and therefore there was a need to find the death date
00:27:22 carencay bowen: The child could be living with grandparents
00:29:44 Betty-Lu Burton: I have since found that the child died at about 9 months of age
00:31:20 Cousin Russ: Gaps in children: negative or indirect evidence of missing children? https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/gaps-children-negative-or-indirect-evidence-missing-children
00:33:49 Kathleen Kelly Daetsch: I had a situation where I was trying to prove my great grandmother who married my grandfather in New York was the daughter of Samuel Tower and Betsey Thomas. There was no record of her marriage or death in Worthington or any surrounding area. The last record of her mother was the marriage to her second husband in 1813. So I took this as evidence that they had left Ma and immigrated to New York. Later I found a lot more prof that she was the same Elizabeth Towers.
00:35:20 Betty-Lu Burton: My great-grandmother has a 12 year gap between 2 children and I have good evidence that there differently no children in that gap.
00:40:17 Betty-Lu Burton: I have trouble determining the difference between negative evidence and negative research. My understanding is if you have negative evidence you need to continue looking to explain the missing info
00:46:45 Cousin Russ: Russ's request of ESM Negative Findings / Negative Evidence https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/negative-findings-negative-evidence
00:47:05 Maria Tegtmeier: So … in my example of our Polish family that came to America. Through DNA matches, found where a presumed younger brother came to America - however, the name, though not common, was common enough - that I needed to double check that I had the right person now living in USA. I found the immigration records that match the right names coming from the right place, but still wanted to double check. I then found four children born in Poland before the immigration records and kept checking the church records for 20 years after the immigration records and no more records of the family showed up. Hope that makes sense.
00:50:49 Cousin Russ: https://evidentiasoftware.com/
00:54:05 Betty-Lu Burton: That is similar to the WW I and WW II draft. It is a list of men who could be drafted, but may or may not have served
00:55:52 Betty-Lu Burton: So the draft document would tell you where he would of served from. So if you found a James Wake serving from Wisconsin you would know it was not him
00:58:10 Deborah Giddings: Was there the initial “A” in that original record?
01:02:32 Deborah Giddings: I see the correct listing now
01:08:04 Betty-Lu Burton: I have seen many, including my father's, WW II draft cards that were made after the man had served and then discharged
01:09:37 Dave Robison: Betty-Lu, same here. My father served from Jan 1942 to mid 1945. There is a draft reg card from 1946 but it indicates he had already served. Not sure why he had to re-register!
01:12:01 Betty-Lu Burton: The Italian records I am working with always list the mother's maiden name even on her death record. It makes it easier to put families together
01:12:41 Maria Tegtmeier: Thanks for the discussion. Need to go.
01:13:12 Cousin Russ: https://worthy2be.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/evidentiasource-analysis-report-for-comments/
01:13:15 Cousin Russ: https://worthy2be.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/mastering-genealogical-proofchapter-6-conflicting-information/
01:14:50 Cousin Russ: Negative Evidence vs. Negative Findings https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/negative-evidence-vs-negative-findings
01:17:53 Flo Merritt: Interesting discussion, Thank you
01:19:03 Flo Merritt: Congrats Thelma!
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01:20:22 Karen Looney: Thank you!
01:20:34 Myra Lindgren: interesting discussion as always! have a great week everyone!
01:20:39 carencay bowen: Thank you for the information