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Wednesday, March 31, 2021

52 THINGS: The Magic Slate

My maternal grandmother Myrtle Eliza (Weiser) Player Severinson had Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS - Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) in the final years of her life. Eventually she could not speak, so she used a "Magic Slate" to scribble a brief note and save paper.

My grandchildren are accustomed to 21st century communication tools like computers, smart phones and tablets. They play online video games with their friends. None have ever seen a "Magic Slate" so I found one. As a young child of the 1950s, I looked forward to receiving a new one every year from Santa Claus.

This journal telling the story has larger dimensions than my typical work for 52 THINGS. Don't you think my hi-tech grandchildren will get a kick out of seeing how a "Magic Slate" works?

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Tuesday, March 30, 2021

Mondays with Myrt - Panelists' research focus, DNA, FindMyPast, ScotlandsPeople, ArchiveDigital, Genealogy Software Showcase, Goldie May

I can hardly keep up with the variety of topics discussed this week on Mondays with Myrt (29 March 2021.) Here are the links we mention:

Starting at 36:00 min - FindMyPast, we work through the search and navigation options with Hilary Gadsby's guidance. We demoed how to exclude items from the search. We also mention the British Newspapers.

Starting at about 45:00 min -

Starting at about 51:00 min, Ed Thompson's Genealogy Software Showcase YouTube Channel, in particular his interview with the developer of Goldie May titled "The Surprise Research Tool of the Year? Goldie May could be the one".

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00:19:53 Sheri Snodgrass: Hello for warm and sunny Iowa!
00:20:26 Patricia Jackson: Hi from Kentucky!
00:20:26 Jenny Hawran: Hello from sunny Connecticut! Drying out after a ton of rain yesterday.
00:21:10 Melinda Culpon: Howdy from sunny springtime Texas.
00:21:34 Lianne Kruger: Hello from very windy Alberta, Canada.
00:21:47 Cyndy Bray: Good morning from sunny California
00:21:48 Betty-Lu Burton: Right now I am still working on my Northern Italian family. I will next either move to the Canadian or Norwegian line
00:22:04 Shelley Murphy: Good afternoon hailing from Central Virginia! Happy to be here.
00:22:11 Judy Sova: Good morning from Michigan where it's sunny and beautiful.
00:22:33 Myra Lindgren: Good morning from sunny/windy Wyoming!
00:22:42 Maria Capaldi: Hi Everyone
00:22:57 Lianne Kruger: wow  - 20!!!
00:23:00 Donna Durland: Hi from the Hudson Valley, New York
00:23:17 Mary Lou Gravatt: Hi from windy New Jersey.
00:24:01 Randy Seaver: good morning from sunny Chula Vista - high of 80 yesterday, we even went to church in thesun - yay for vitamin D
00:24:38 Shelley Murphy: Hello @Judy, where in Michigan are you from?
00:25:25 Betty-Lu Burton: I have found that Family Search has the same basic BMD database as Ancestry, only it is harder to search. On Ancestry they have it searchable by record type, town and year where Family Search is only searchable by years.
00:26:08 Donna Cunningham: Researching in Washington County, OH & Northeastern counties of WV & all of Maryland.  They were most German.  I do have some Scots hailing from the Kintyre Peninsula.
00:26:23 Robbin Smith: @Donna where in Hudson valley?
00:26:57 Donna Durland: @Robin, Wurtsboro in Sullivan County
00:27:22 Robbin Smith: cool, we had summer home in Greene county
00:27:43 Randy Seaver: Forgot my surname studies - Seaver, Carringer, Auble, Vaux plus descendants of my 4th great-grandparents (for DNA matching since many matches have tiny or no trees)
00:27:54 Hilary Gadsby: I have a 2nd cousin once removed who I discovered is my closest match on Gedmatch and has recently joined WikiTree so hoping to connect her up to the family I added. There is a new DNA app on WikiTree that I want to try out
00:28:47 Hilary Gadsby: It is windy here in Wales at the moment
00:29:09 Frank Jatzek: Hello everyone from sunny 68°F Potsdam, Germany
00:29:19 Melinda Culpon: bluebonnets - yes they are out
00:29:21 Hilary Gadsby: It is also sunny today better than yesterday morning
00:30:35 Myra Lindgren: 60 degrees yesterday in Casper....
00:31:12 Doris Haskell: Hello from cloudy, windy Rock Springs,, where it’s a balmy 50 degrees.
00:31:56 Judy Sova: I live in Wixom, about 40 miles northwest of Detroit.  Was raised in Hazel Park, one of Detroit's northern border cities.
00:32:27 Frank Jatzek: Congratulation Hilary
00:32:45 Shelley Murphy: That is good to hear Hilary!
00:34:30 Michelle Grant: Hello everyone from Omaha, NE
00:34:35 Myra Lindgren: Blogging is never ending......
00:35:23 Lianne Kruger: Gail at Genealogy a la Carte does a Crème da la Crème each week of top blogs she has found.
00:35:35 Lianne Kruger: Randy just mentioned Gail
00:36:44 Linda Stufflebean: Thanks to Randy and Pat for the mention. :)
00:37:17 Frank Jatzek: Sheila: actually kinda: I found About it on an Australian Website (never looked for it as Poland back in the day my Ancestors where Living there where German)
00:39:07 Sheila Benedict: Thank you Frank. I have to call the Polish embassy in Los Angeles later today for a client of mine and really want to be educated about it before I talk to them. I will go to the URL you gave above. Again, thanks
00:39:26 Linda Stufflebean: I start adding to the Friday list after my current Friday Finds posts and add links every day.
00:40:35 Randy Seaver: I do the same as Linda - I have the Best Of post open most of the day and can add an item whenever I want.  I post mine on Sunday after noon PT
00:42:10 Sheila Benedict: I will be happy to explain that part of the case if you want me too.
00:42:29 Sheila Benedict: Russia for them
00:42:47 Cousin Russ: The lost sailor? A DNA mystery. -
00:42:51 Frank Jatzek: Oh so the "far east" part of Poland ;)
00:43:03 Sheila Benedict: Apparently Frank
00:46:46 Amanda Czuba: I love Maureen Taylor!!
00:47:30 Doris Haskell: Thank goodness for Zoom! On Saturday, we attended the baptisms of two of our adopted grandsons in Moorcroft, Wyoming. We were joined, thanks to Zoom, by our grandson, McKay who will be returning from a mission in West Virginia to his home in Eagle Mountain, UT in 4 days. We were also joined by his parents and 5 siblings who are in Eagle Mountain. We were also joined by our son in Escondido, California. And our oldest son and his wife joined us from Big Piney, Wyoming. And here’s the kicker.... we were joined by a couple of missionaries who are serving in Ukraine. One of them is from Eagle Mountain, Utah, the neighbor of our son’s family. The grandsons were adopted from Ukraine and now live in Moorcroft. This missionary, serving in Ukraine, helped with teaching our adopted grandsons, overcoming the language barrier.
00:47:37 Diana Smith: The Photo Detective, Maureen Taylor
00:48:13 Sheila Benedict: Maureen is great!
00:48:30 Frank Jatzek: Doris: wow
00:49:41 Judy Sova: @Shelley Murphy, don't know if you saw my reply above.  May I ask your connection to Michigan.

Myrt's statement about the online grumbling over the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) identification and repatriation of the remains of People of Color.
"Tender feelings surround the discussion of servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Particularly difficult are cases where identities have been obscured.
Recent advances in DNA technology have greatly accelerated the successful identification of unknown remains.
This research takes time and requires specific technical expertise. I personally know four professional genetic genealogists hired by the Army Casualty Office to actively work these cases.
Mulling over varied responses to the attached article, I’ve confirmed 2 researchers have identified 16 servicemen whose remains have been properly reunited with family. Other breakthroughs have occurred, but I don’t know specific details.
Having known these four researchers over many years, I’ve observed a profound sense of dedication to excellence and a tender respect for the families. The work is challenging. When successful repatriation of remains are announced, these researchers quietly use words like “honored” and “humbled” to describe their participation."  
The article in question was "Bring the Buffalo Soldiers Home" by Jenny Ashcraft, posted 22 MArch 2021at Fold3 HQ, The Official Fold3 Blog. ( : viewed 29 Mar 2021).

00:51:22 Frank Jatzek: The best answer for DNA Genealogy: Do it everywhere! if you want to find someone or be found you have to widen your area of coverage as much as possible.

00:51:51 Shelley Murphy: @Judy, did not see it, but I was born and raised in Grand Rapids, also do Benzie and Manistee research, family were early homesteaders.
00:54:08 Shelley Murphy: I love my military research!
00:55:05 Frank Jatzek: Thanks God I didn't needed to do DNA to bring the one lost Soldier in my Family home thanks to the Volksbund (, because my Mother is the last one with DNA from that line and she feares DNA-research
00:57:28 Maria Capaldi:
00:58:52 Myra Lindgren: A cousin of my husband was asked- and did- to test for DNA on his mother’s side. His cousin Harold was in his 20s and was a pilot who was shot down in the pacific in WW2.  Harold has not been found yet.......
00:59:10 Sheila Benedict: I use Find my Past all the time. It is a great database for my Irish and English research.
00:59:52 Robbin Smith: it is also helpful for Roman Catholic records in US
01:00:26 Lianne Kruger: FindMyPast is a great site.
01:01:11 Frank Jatzek: Sheila: do you use the freebmd GRO Index too? I found one of my relatives only there
01:01:30 Sheila Benedict: Yes. They have a representation here in the USA. Her first name is Jen but I don't remember her last name. I spoke with her as I worked at a historic Spanish Mission as the archivist there for 18 years and when I was in Dublin I met with Brian Donovan and told him they still have their records privatized.
01:02:38 Maria Capaldi: That is nice
01:04:18 Myra Lindgren: Swedish archives can be seen in the Swedish archives online.
01:04:51 Melinda Culpon: 1837 was a prominent year for around the world because that is the recording for the German records - does anyone that knows what was occurring in history that prompted this?
01:04:57 Judy Sova: @Shelley, first post just told you I live in Wixom, 40 miles NW of Detroit.  I know lots of people in Grand Rapids.  It's a great area.   I'm doing research up in Cheboygan area where my husband's family is from.  They're French Canadian.  Wish I could read French!
01:05:46 Sheila Benedict: I need someone who can translate some Swedish records located on Archivdigital. (spelling?)
01:06:26 Frank Jatzek: Melinda: that is not that correct. We startet Prussiawide in 1874. We did earlier on the Rhein area due to Napoleon but Prussiawide in 1874
01:07:20 Cousin Russ:
01:07:26 Melinda Culpon: @Frank - Thanks for clarification - Thought I had heard 1837 for German too
01:07:38 Myra Lindgren: I do like archive digital as they are listed by area. I have only learned by looking at AD with someone who has used it and it’s precursor for decades. I also use google translate.
01:09:03 Myra Lindgren: The archives are in black and white....I go to the stake here in town.
01:10:46 Frank Jatzek: I know of some records that got published only because we can do colorised Scans now. Bach in black/White it wouldn't be visible at all
01:10:59 Myra Lindgren: In the Swedish archive the soldier records and estate papers are not listed as conveniently as archive digital.

01:11:03 Hilary Gadsby: Don't forget Welsh newspapers are free to search at the National Library of Wales
01:11:13 Lianne Kruger: british newspaper archives
01:11:35 Myra Lindgren: Archive digital is in color- I don’t use family search as much for Swedish.
01:11:40 Lianne Kruger:
01:11:40 Cousin Russ: Ed Thompson’s Surprise Research Tool of the Year: Goldie May Could Be the One. Do you agree?
01:12:00 Randy Seaver: sorry Myra - I assumed!!
01:12:18 Lianne Kruger: FindMyPast link to British newspapers
01:12:40 Maria Capaldi: Yes, I wasn't there Live, it was good. I am just starting to use it!
01:13:40 Hilary Gadsby: I have seen some of his videos
01:13:43 Frank Jatzek: Eds Videos are very interessting since his Point of view is both from a Softwaredeveloper and a Genealogist.
01:13:50 Sheila Benedict: Yes, I have gone to their newspaper link. Just started using it.
01:14:33 Myra Lindgren: No problemo Russ!
01:14:57 Sheila Benedict: Almost 10 AM here in California which means I need to get to my 10:30 appointment. If I ever get that appointment changed, I will be able to spend the whole time here.

01:14:58 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE’s WACKY Wednesday: Goldie May (research assistant)
01:15:01 Hilary Gadsby: The developer of Goldie May did some other presentations for Rootstech Connect including creating shortcuts on Google chrome
01:15:09 Cousin Russ: NERGC
01:15:21 Maria Capaldi: Looking forward to it!!! nergc
01:15:44 Maria Capaldi: Great dashboard that they have for it!
01:15:45 Frank Jatzek: Hilary: can you link the Videos?
01:16:24 Judy Sova: Would love to hear you, Myrt, and see the exhibit hall, but it's a little too pricey for me.
01:17:24 Linda Stufflebean: I am looking forward to NERGC since it is virtual. First time attending for me.
01:18:08 Maria Capaldi: Same here @Linda
01:18:22 Tina Torsey: I’m going.
01:18:45 Donna Durland: I will be there
01:18:54 Frank Jatzek: Thank you Hilary
01:19:11 Jenny Hawran: I'm going. Always a good conference in person and I know how hard they have worked to make it all virtual
01:22:36 Frank Jatzek: Yolanda: GoldieMay?
01:24:19 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Wiki - Orphan Trains
01:27:26 Myra Lindgren: Some never spoke about their experiences.....
01:27:43 Kathleen Daetsch: I have some cousins I've connected that are descended from orphan train riders.
01:28:13 Kathleen Daetsch: I connected it
01:29:19 Kathleen Daetsch: I found out where they fit along with some hints they got from family stories.

01:29:24 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE’s 52 THINGS: Grandma Myrtle’s 34k Medical Words Book (1913)
01:29:27 Frank Jatzek: Is this Archive Paper?
01:30:04 Cousin Russ: Gaylord Archival

The play list of The Archive Lady webinars at DearMYRTLE.

01:34:49 Maria Capaldi: Thank you, I have to go...have a great one!

01:35:25 Cousin Russ: Genealogical Publishing 25% off everything
01:35:56 Amanda Czuba: ooh!
01:36:14 Patricia Jackson: Just registered for NERGC
01:43:19 Frank Jatzek: I would love to sit some hours together with the Archive Lady in RL. I bet it would be hillarious because I once worked in a County Archive here in Germany and I love her Blog
01:44:28 Cousin Russ: Nancy Vest'ss “Brought Up Short When Transcribing Martha (Reay) Doyle's and Thomas Richardson's Marriage Record
01:44:59 Linda Stufflebean: My Ancestors and Me is Nancy Vest's blog.
01:45:40 Randy Seaver: sorry, wrong again!
01:47:41 Frank Jatzek: That's why you search for as much records as possible. I can share a Story next week about misspelled Last Names
01:49:15 Karen Looney: The documents are not always correct.  My late husband's birth certificate had the wron date, wrong first name for father and wrong number of live births.
01:49:23 Randy Seaver: @Sheri I was right ... I always have to search for her last name on her blog.

Myrt's Journal is a series of spontaneous pre-recorded demo videos posted at located at:
01:50:41 Doris Haskell: Thank you! Have a great week. Happy Easter!
01:50:44 Myra Lindgren: Have a good week everyone!
01:50:52 Amanda Czuba: thank you for sharing your treasures!

Thursday, March 25, 2021

52 THINGS: Grandma Myrtle's 34K Medical Words Book (1913)

It is especially important to not only tell my grandchildren their great-grandmother Myrtle Eliza Weiser was a hospital-trained nurse, but to carefully preserve the old nursing school book titled 34000 Medical Words published in 1913. I found a clearly labeled old photograph titled "Nurses 1915 St. Mark's Hospital" with Myrtle on the far right. These two items back up the family story that Myrtle was trained as a nurse at St. Mark's.

Dr. Openshaw, not Dr. Oppenheimer, was the physician who noticed the possibility Myrtle had worn red lipstick the night before classes. He is also the physician who years after her graduation delivered Myrtle's three children.

Myrtle's first official nursing job was up in Idaho caring for a woman who had just had a baby. For $1 per week, Myrtle cooked, cleaned, did the laundry and cared for the woman's other children. It was difficult work with very poor pay, even for that time period.

Here's how I made this journal: NOTE: I wrapped the old book in acid-free tissue paper designed to work with leather covers of books such as our old family bibles.

My archival Hollinger boxes, L-sleeves and acid-free tissue paper all come from Gaylord. #NonAffiliateLink Gaylord Archival

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Monday, March 22, 2021

MwM: Serbian Records with Fr. Ivan Delic

Our guest on Mondays with Myrt today, direct from Serbia, is Fr. Ivan Delic 
Иван Делић
to share information about traditions associated with surviving birth and baptism record books, some digitized on DVD. He describes a period when people were not permitted to be baptized, so some of baptisms were listed 40-50 years after the birth of a person.

Fr. Ivan told us he was "deeply touched and surprised" that his genealogy mentor Crista Cowan stopped by for this special event. He attributes his improved research methods to her guidance. 

Cousin Russ worked years ago with Fr. Ivan on Family Tree Maker, and introduced him to the citation work of Elizabeth Shown Mills. I dare say that Elizabeth would approve of the citations we viewed on Fr. Ivan's slides.

Fr. Ivan became an "uncle-grandfather" when his sister had a baby boy. Isn't it interesting the varied traditions for naming precious family relationship?

Links We Mention

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09:54:25 From  Frank Jatzek  to  All panelists : When we are at Wikitree Ellen Thompson-Jennings posted a Blogpost about her upcoming week. I pregamed a bit and discoved a Churchrecord for one part of her German Ancestors that she didn't had and translated it.
10:00:26 From  Michelle Grant  to  Everyone : Hello everyone from Omaha, NE.
10:00:33 From  Betty-Lu Burton  to  Everyone : Hello everyone
10:00:37 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Hi Everyone!
10:00:37 From  Michelle Grant  to  Everyone : No
10:00:48 From  Susan WEBSTER  to  All panelists : Hi from Woodstock, CT! Sunny now!
10:00:52 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : Hello for Iowa -
10:01:09 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  All panelists : Good afternoon
10:01:13 From  Michael Nier  to  All panelists : No snow in Bradenton.
10:01:23 From  Karen Looney  to  All panelists : Hello from Arlington, WA.
10:01:27 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Sounds good
10:01:30 From  Patricia Jackson  to  Everyone : Hi from Kentucky
10:01:37 From  Karin Robinson  to  All panelists : Hello from the Space Coast of Florida
10:01:43 From  John Boeren  to  All panelists : good morning, good afternoon... greetings from the Netherlands
10:01:55 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : good morning, good afternoon... greetings from the Netherlands
10:01:57 From  Flo Merritt  to  All panelists : Hello from Eastern Oregon.
10:02:08 From  Apathy Laszlo  to  All panelists : Hello Pat from Englewood FL
10:02:10 From  Frances Dielmann  to  Everyone : Hello from Oberursel, Germany
10:02:32 From  Pam Wade  to  Everyone : Hello from South Carolina
10:02:32 From  Judy Sova  to  Everyone : Hi from Michigan
10:02:35 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : Hello from Potsdam, Germany
10:02:40 From  Jenny Hawran  to  Everyone : hello from sunny and warm (62F!) Connecticut
10:02:40 From  Myra Lindgren  to  Everyone : Good morning from Casper WY!
10:02:43 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Hi from Serbia
10:02:59 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : 48 and Spring showers in Iowa
10:03:06 From  Hilary Gadsby  to  Everyone : Hi everyone
10:03:11 From  Linda Stentz  to  All panelists : Hi from Cincinnati at 59.
10:03:40 From  Myra Lindgren  to  Everyone : 30 degrees here with a clear sky...

DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations' International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

10:03:47 From  Frances Stein  to  Everyone : only 63 in Clearwater Beach, FL right now. cloudy, and light mist!
10:04:22 From  Linda Stentz  to  All panelists : Just finished reading the Murders of Chester Creek.  What a wonderful book.
10:04:44 From  Sally Smith  to  Everyone : 41 degrees in Bellingham, Washington
10:05:18 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Hi Christa!!
10:05:57 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Very nice to meet you Father Ivan :-)
10:05:59 From  Frances Stein  to  Everyone : Hello, Crista Cowan!
10:06:55 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : My first husband was Armenian and all my children were baptized in the Eastern Rites.
10:08:21 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Fantastic!
10:08:48 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Is Livia a Serbian first name?
10:09:14 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Maybe, I know about Lilia
10:10:00 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : I think Livia could e from Balkan
10:19:38 From  Cousin Russ  to  Everyone :
10:21:21 From  DearMYRTLE .  to  Crista Cowan(Direct Message) : I was unaware this was going to take this much time. I apologize.
10:21:51 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : What are the religions in Serbia?
10:23:09 From  DearMYRTLE .  to  All panelists : I was unaware this would take so+ minutes.
10:23:29 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Wow
10:23:48 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : That church looks a lot of the one from my home village
10:24:52 From  Cousin Russ  to  Everyone : Sheila -
10:26:16 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Thx Russ
10:27:57 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : very interesting architecture
10:28:32 From  Leah Smith  to  Everyone : So happy to see Father Ivan.  I occasionally wonder what happened to him and his research since we first saw him years ago.
10:28:48 From  Severn Cjumley  to  Everyone : Thanks for allowing me to listen in. Bless all of you for sharing, so kind and generous of your time and talents.
10:32:54 From  DearMYRTLE .  to  Everyone : Fascinating
10:33:38 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : It's impressive that Serbians where able to save so many books through the wars.
10:36:25 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : It looks like there is only a first name for the mother's name? No surname?
10:40:09 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : That pattern is exactly the same as the Germans used
10:40:42 From  Alice Allen  to  Everyone : I noticed that as well.
10:40:46 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : Similar to the Czech archives as well
10:41:33 From  Tina Torsey  to  All panelists : This is wonderful, thank you!
10:43:17 From  Carol Kostakos Petranek : Orthodox Church books in Greece look the same as well
10:43:54 From  Myra Lindgren  to  Everyone : Wow!
10:45:14 From  Jeanne Courval : Yes, even in South Carolina, there is variation in Roman Catholic times of baptism.  Some were same day as birth (when they thought the child would die).  Some were later, a few months or years (2 months; 13 months; and  3 years, when 3 children were baptized all at once.
10:45:34 From  Jeanne Courval  to  Everyone : Yes, even in South Carolina, there is variation in Roman Catholic times of baptism.  Some were same day as birth (when they thought the child would die).  Some were later, a few months or years (2 months; 13 months; and  3 years, when 3 children were baptized all at once.
10:46:21 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : In our Roman Catholic church children had to be baptized as soon as possible, preferably the same day as the birth. If a child's life was in danger, the midwife would perform the baptism and later 'redone' by the priest. Those entries show the words "sub conditione".
10:47:29 From  Hilary Gadsby  to  Everyone : Too often people think the baptism was the same as the day of birth we need to make it clear what we are recording
10:48:25 From  Myra Lindgren  to  Everyone : Same baptismal process in Sweden...
10:48:26 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  All panelists : In my family Irish Catholic all with in two weeks
10:49:18 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : In the Catholic Church I worked for, contemporary of course, some people do not baptize until children are toddlers and even older. They just make sure they are baptized before First Communion classes.
10:49:29 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Congrats!!
10:49:30 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : I agree Hilary, always see which church/denomination you are dealing with, what the customs are, what the records say... never assume anything. :)
10:50:09 From  Linda Jordan  to  All panelists : My daughter was baptized 9 months after birth in another city and state because I had to have Catholic sponsors. If I hadn't had to go home because my husband went into the military and I went home for awhile, it probably would have been a lot longer.
10:50:15 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : @Sheila Yes it has changed a lot of times. I am speaking about records before World War II.
10:51:28 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Yes John. I work with Irish records a lot and the older records show the babies baptized within days of birth.
10:52:26 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  Everyone : The mother could baptize the child in a situation like that in the Catholic  tradition
10:53:53 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : We have an expression for that: "In time of danger, every RC person can and should baptize."
10:53:58 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : When I left the Catholic church and married in the Eastern Church, I had to do a Profession of Faith. That is recorded in the books as well.
10:54:47 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  Everyone : That is true here as well Hillary
10:55:11 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Then when I came back to the RC church, I did another profession.
10:55:57 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : Fun fact... my grandmother was baptized before she was born. :)
10:56:05 From  Linda Jordan  to  All panelists : Yes, many people post baptismal date as birth date in their trees.
10:56:13 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : My church does not do child baptism - only adult.
10:57:03 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : I have run across children that were baptized before birth - LOL. There was a fine if you didn't get the birth registered within a period of time. Mother's would lie to the civil registrar so she did not have to pay the fine.
10:57:29 From  Apathy Laszlo : VERY VERY interesting....especially because ALL my ancestors are from Hungary with my paternal ancestors ALL from Translyvania region of Hungary.  BTW:  I also was baptized the same day that I was born in 1945 in Seefeld Germany because I was so small and my mother was so malnourished after escaping from Hungary with my father that they did not know If I would live.
10:58:26 From  DearMYRTLE .  to  Everyone : Hello Laszlo!
10:59:01 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : I for example where baptized almost a month after birth under a different Name since I was given for Adoption Right after birth. And my Adoped parents where not alloved to take me home Right away.
10:59:52 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : I was born on Tuesday and baptized on Saturday. In the hospital's chapel.
11:01:38 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : I think the change between the different Patterns can get confusing for beginners
11:03:13 From  Linda Jordan  : Finnish naming and baptismal conventions are very interesting. Many don't have names, or the name is not told to anyone until baptism -- about 3 months later. They want to look at the baby and see if their name matches their personality and looks.
11:03:33 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Yes Frank and that is why researchers need to check church law as well as civil law in the area or country researching.
11:05:09 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : The priests I worked for really pushed me to become a Canon lawyer but I resisted. I did attend quite a few Tribunal and Canon Law institutes but backed off when I found I had to go to Rome for at least six months.
11:09:36 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : My sacramental books did that Pat
11:10:02 From  Melinda Culpon  to  All panelists : Do you find multiple religions in these records? Because in the Bohemian/Czech records from the mid 1800s for my family had both protestant and catholic records noted in "church records"
11:10:30 From  Frank Jatzek  to  All panelists : In the Civil records we update them via a cite note
11:11:13 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Also if they took vows, had a church annulment, we put them in the baptism books.
11:15:50 From  Leah Smith  to  Everyone : Incredible work!
11:16:59 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : Some of the Czech baptism records are in a combination of German, Czech and Latin - will drive you crazy
11:18:02 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : Sheri: after searching through one of such a books you Need a break for one day, eh?
11:19:48 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : I went to do other works after those books
11:20:14 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : talking
11:20:42 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : @Frank - well, I cannot read German or Czech - so grateful to those that do this!
11:22:00 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Thank You Father Ivan it was a pleasure meeting you and learning about your records!!!  :- )
11:22:10 From  Flo Merritt  to  Everyone : Thank you all. Great presentation Fr. Ivan.
11:22:31 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : So great to know that the struggles we all have with finding and reading records is universal.
11:22:31 From  Lindell  to  Everyone : Wonderful day! I really  enjoy hearing from those from other countries regarding their records, experiences, etc. Thanks to all!
11:22:49 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Thanks to all of you for support
11:22:52 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Yes, Fr. Ivan thank you for giving us a view of the records available there.
11:23:30 From  Jeanne Courval  to  Everyone : As far as getting help from others, I would definitely recommend join specialty genealogy societies.  For example my husband is of Czech descent.  One mystery was solved by a member of the Czech genealogy society near where we live,  They have monthly meetings and once a year they have a "bring your brick walls".    e went to that one, and someone was able to read the name of a town that we had been struggling with for over a year.
11:23:36 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Sheila: thanks
11:23:51 From  Jenny Hawran  to  Everyone : Thank you Fr. Ivan. Really enjoyable presentation today!
11:23:51 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  All panelists : @John B - love your background picture today
11:24:13 From  John Boeren  to  Everyone : thanks Sheri... you can read about it here:
11:24:19 From  Myra Lindgren  to  Everyone : Thank you father.....
11:24:28 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Myr: thank you
11:24:50 From  Melinda Culpon  to  Everyone : Great presentation Father Ivan.
11:25:02 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : Thank you Melinda
11:25:08 From  Barry Wolff  to  Everyone : Excellent!!!
11:25:16 From  Sheri Snodgrass  to  Everyone : Thanks John!
11:26:16 From  Frank Jatzek  to  Everyone : Father Ivan: if you finish writing up this presentation, please let us know, I would love to take time and read it over and over again.
11:26:33 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : Yes, I agree
11:26:45 From  Fr. Ivan Delic  to  All panelists : I am finished
11:26:55 From  Sheila Benedict  to  Everyone : Yes, I agree
11:27:12 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : lol
11:27:21 From  Maria Capaldi  to  Everyone : thanks again!!
11:27:25 From  Jeanne Courval  to  Everyone : It was great to hear about all these records in Serbia and what you are doing.
11:27:31 From  Michael Nier  to  All panelists : thank you. Very interesting.
11:27:35 From  Linda Jordan  to  All panelists : Thank you!
11:27:41 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  Everyone : Thank you
11:27:53 From  Kathleen Daetsch  to  Everyone : Good meeting.
11:28:00 From  Apathy Laszlo  to  All panelists : Хвала вам

Thank-you WikiTree Volunteers

To the nearly 40 WikiTree volunteers who spent last week busting through an astonishing 20(!) of my brick walls - THANK YOU❣️ And Dolly Yockey finally has a father! Wow!

THE BIG REVEAL This is the first hour - where WikiTree explained their amazing breakthroughs to me. If you cannot view this video on your device, use this link:

Needless to say, I’m still in shock. And I’m having a blast working through the changes and learning about a few new record sets and places where ancestors once lived. This has been a real shot in the arm for my research. 🤗 Your selfless service is greatly appreciated. ❤️ There is truly no way I can repay your kindness — except to continue to tell everyone about the marvelous sourcing and collaboration at WikiTree. PS - FamilySearch could learn a lot from your team efforts. After all, we want to climb the correct family tree, and not get lost on a shaky, speculative branch.
THIS is the 2nd hour, immediately following the big reveal.
If you cannot view the embedded video, use this link:
SD quality is replaced with ND and CC usually within the hour of upload.

Now perhaps you understand what a great deal of work I have to do correlating new findings with my current genealogy database. 

If you value the interactive genealogy and journaling education provided in DearMYRTLE webinars, meetings, and videos, please consider donating. Thank you in advance.

Tuesday, March 16, 2021

ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt - 15 Mar 2021

What's this Mondays with Myrt live webinar? Most Mondays throughout the year, 5-10 panelists and a bunch of attendees gather to discuss and demo family history - news, events, websites, software, methodologies, citations, analysis, and archiving. "Whatever has come across our genea-desks in the last week or so. 

To get us started, John shared a photo from the 1950s where elderly people are voting, wearing traditional dress for their area in the Netherlands. He also explained that the word "patriotic" has a negative connotation in his county, harkening back to the world wars.

Gender identification is something England, Wales and Northern Ireland are wresting with when it comes to the 2021 census. We learned that Scotland is delaying until 2022 because of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Of course, the F. A. N. Principle frequently comes into play - Friends, Associates and Neighbors. 

Randy Seaver's contribution is the ongoing saga of determining the maiden name of an ancestor. He is analyzing old letters, and is step-by-step fleshing out the family units.

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Selected Text and Links We Mention
00:16:18 Jenny Hawran: Hello from chilly Connecticut
00:16:21 Flo Merritt: Hello from Benton Co., Oregon
00:16:30 Michelle Grant: Hello from Omaha, NE
00:16:30 Maria Capaldi: Hi Everyone!
00:16:57 Sheri Snodgrass: Hello from chilly Central Iowa
00:16:59 Patricia Jackson: Hi from Kentucky
00:17:22 Nadine Guilbault: Hi from Wisconsin
00:17:37 Laila: Hi from Oslo Norway.
00:19:46 Nadine Guilbault: We eat lots of cheese in Wisconsin.   ( :
00:22:31 Molly McKinley: So interesting and a wonderful look as another nation's traditions.  I have Dutch ancestry.
00:22:59 Sheri Snodgrass: Shawl
00:23:36 Molly McKinley: My grandmother from Arkansas used a dressy apron to go to town.  She had a used one for working in the kitchen.
00:25:32 Kathleen Daetsch: Aren't aprons part of the national costume
00:25:39 Maria Capaldi: Love seeing these pictures @John thanks for sharing!
00:26:01 Marian Koalski: My mother used an apron when sitting and peeling vegetables, and often used the apron for holding the peeled results.
00:26:04 Kathleen Daetsch: yes
00:27:54 Kathleen Daetsch: My nephews wife wore a German wedding costume and it had an apron effect
00:28:20 Ann Staley: My mom made all of her aprons. I still have and use one that she made for me.
00:28:43 Myra Lindgren: Good morning everyone ....
00:28:50 Sheri Snodgrass: Yes
00:28:53 Kathleen Daetsch: I see it
00:28:58 Maria Capaldi: yes I see it
00:29:17 Susan Burns: I see it.
00:29:17 Myra Lindgren: I see it-
00:29:25 Mary Lou Gravatt: My mom made all of her aprons. Made smocked ones for gifts.
00:33:19 Kathleen Daetsch: I have mine popped out and can move it out of the way

IMAGE: Screen shot from BBC News, linked below.

00:34:53 Betty-Lu Burton: Good morning
00:36:03 Kathleen Daetsch: I have  a census record that recorded my grandfather as female
00:37:01 Kathleen Daetsch: I believe it has to be clarified.
00:37:09 Betty-Lu Burton: The way I see it should be addressed is there are 2 sexes, but many lifestyles and maybe now there need to be 2 questions one biological sex and lifestyle choice
00:39:02 Sheri Snodgrass: I have a friend with Native American ancestry and they recognize 5 genders.

See National Park Service, Series: Find Our Place: LGBTQ Heritage in the United States (home), ( : viewed 16 Mar 2021). 
00:39:37 Hazel Meldrum: The 2021 census for Scotland  has been delayed until 2022 so it will cause questions by our ancestors. [See:]
00:40:43 Hazel Meldrum: Yes that what they said
00:40:56 Kathleen Daetsch: I did that too
00:42:36 Maria Capaldi: yes a few
00:42:53 Maria Capaldi: his last one was great census tools.

IMAGE: Promo graphic from

­­CensusTools Spreadsheet Templates for Census Data -

"Take a Look at CensusTools Spreadsheets and Templates" at Ed Thompson's Genealogy Software Showcase YouTube Channel.
00:43:41 Melanie Hinds: Yes - I caught most of last week’s and have viewed several of his previous videos. Lots of good information.
00:44:10 Maria Capaldi: I am thinking about getting them....
00:45:51 Maria Capaldi: lol
00:46:07 Betty-Lu Burton: I have used census tracker spreadsheets in the past, but right now I am working with my Italian line and there is no census available
00:47:48 Maria Capaldi: Awesome!!!!
00:47:52 Marian Koalski: Good—I’m curious about GoldieMay
00:48:03 John Boeren: Fouke Boss, from Centurial
00:48:44 Melanie Hinds: I have Goldie May and really like it so far. Find it helps in my research.
00:53:52 Kathleen Daetsch: my grandmother thought she was born in1899 when she sent to Ireland for her birth record to collect social security she found out she was born in 1898
00:54:20 Mary Lou Gravatt: The 1930 census my grandparents were at the bottom of the page and I finally found the children 7 pages over after a TB hospital index under the name of the last person listed at the hospital.
00:54:20 Betty-Lu Burton: my grandfather's family in one census is totally separated. Not only they were on 2 pages but the 2 pages were not in order and show up several pages apart
00:55:38 Cousin Russ: QuickLesson 11: Identity Problems and the Fan Principle.
00:55:39 John Boeren: I used neighbors in a census to find the person I was looking for... His surname was Melvil, but he was indexed as Meboil.
00:58:00 Sheri Snodgrass: I've found maiden names that way - younger brother living with the new couple
00:58:21 Barry Wolff: I've found many instances where an immigrant ancestor's child married a nearby neighbors child of similar age.
01:00:15 David Hopper: Upper Michigan is full of copper. They could have worked in the copper industry.
01:00:26 Cousin Russ: Randy Seaver's "What is the maiden name for Ann Seaver 1807?" but need to start with Post 4
01:00:47 John Boeren: Tt is never a challenge in the Netherlands, women keep their own name!
01:02:05 Betty-Lu Burton: John Boeren I have found the same think in the Aosta [Italy] region records. That has been the main way I have been able to put those families together
01:03:19 John Boeren: @Betty-Lu, it is such a help if they don't take on the name of their husband!
01:03:57 John Boeren: thanks, Lianne :)
01:04:03 Betty-Lu Burton: Yes and I have yet to find any records where the woman took the husbands surname
01:04:46 Mary Lou Gravatt: I found the maiden name of my grandfather
01:06:06 Myra Lindgren: My step gma lied about her age so much she forgot how old she was. I found her in the 1900 census....
01:06:28 Betty-Lu Burton: John Boeren the frustrating part is when the records switched to Italian they translated the name to the Italian equivalent and I have to change my thinking on some of the names
01:06:32 Launa Droescher: after my father's death found address  book and started looking in Utah  city directories  to try to track the people
01:07:28 John Boeren: @Betty-Lu, we have that with (a) Catholic records where names are translated to more or less Latin equivalents and (b) a few years when we were part of the French empire and names, especially first names, were written in French
01:08:39 Mary Lou Gravatt: Sorry my message post to soon. I only knew the married name of my grandfather's second wife Viola. An entry in my mother journal that she took her mother see George Fowler who I knew was connected to my dad's family. My aunt told me that George was a brother to Viola. Finding that opened up an interesting story. Viola's mother was the granddaughter of my 3rd great-grandmother. To long of a story to post here.
01:08:47 Betty-Lu Burton: I just wished they kept the names the same and not translated them
01:10:18 John Boeren: @Betty-Lu I have an ancestor whose name was Heijliger (in English, that means: holier)... I could not find him in church books... until I found out that the priest translated his name to Sanctior (the Latin version of holier, or Heijliger)
01:10:59 Kathleen Daetsch: I connected my second great-grandmothers family with probate records.
01:12:11 Betty-Lu Burton: I have not found any that bad, my main one is Joseph or Josef in the French and Guisepppe in the Italian. I had to go back and look through the records again looking for a Joseph whose death record is listed as Guiseppe
01:12:30 John Boeren: @Jeanne Yes, even place names can be translated in Latin
01:13:16 John Boeren: @Betty-Lu Yes, like our Dutch Willem became Guillaume in the French era
01:13:50 Betty-Lu Burton: John thank you I have a Guillaume and did not know what it meant.

DearMYRTLE's 52 THINGS: Moclips, Agates and Jasper

01:15:16 Barry Wolff: So would the letters and/or blog posts be entered as source citations and the research conclusion be entered as a note for the fact in the tree?
01:17:30 Randy Seaver: Barry, I will add the letters to the media for Nathaniel and Ann in RootsMagic, and write a summary (perhaps with links to the blog posts) to the General Note for Nathaniel and Ann.
01:18:41 Randy Seaver: But I won't add the media to my Ancestry tree because they are really Patti's
01:19:45 Randy Seaver: I could write a Story for the Ancestry tree based on the blog posts.
01:21:14 Randy Seaver: and add sources for the letters and perhaps the summary blog post.
01:24:45 Sheri Snodgrass: found my family in Czech archives and the baptismal records were in a combination of Czech, German and Latin - really creative names
01:26:24 Myra Lindgren: When grandpa got married to Helen she put down “over 65 years”
01:26:47 Melanie Hinds: Just an FYI ——Legacy Family Tree is promoting their 24-hour genealogy webinar, which occurs in April with all presentations FREE! Register at : .
01:31:02 Randy Seaver: this is why we need the descendants of our ancestors in our tree
01:31:21 Betty-Lu Burton: Aosta is in Northern Italy, but the stories I have heard basically says that France and Italy would go back and forth in claiming the area. As my 2 great-grandma said it just depended upon who came around to collect taxes that year. A cousin said he had heard the story that teacher would change between Italian and French from year to year
01:32:44 Maria Capaldi: I registered this morning for NERGC
01:33:19 Maria Capaldi: Also Registered NGS Family History
01:33:20 Flo Merritt: How Exciting!
01:36:20 Betty-Lu Burton: Another good meeting

DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations' International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

01:38:08 John Boeren: I am doing a Clubhouse session in the Family History UK club in 40 minutes :) [Clubhouse is a voice-only app for iPhones.]
01:38:21 Randy Seaver: I loved watching the WikiTree reveal of Katherine Willson's tree and the prelim for Myrt
01:38:30 Hilary Gadsby: I have been working on your tree
01:38:56 Maria Capaldi: And it
01:39:04 Maria Capaldi: ty Bye